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Nekys
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And how can you tell a Human is a human and not a Otherkin or something else. You are based on that Otherkins are supposed to be minority? I don't believe humanity is bad or whatever and in one of the personal theories I hold in my head, Humans are not directly responsible for that. There are good and bad things and there is still balance and its very short-eye to judge something or someone without good knowledge of the history and the past events. If you believe that Otherkins have only good side, then you are strongly fooled (not to say any harder words). Everything has a good and a bad side and that is how should be otherwise there would be destructive chaos or absolutely nothing.
Personally I don't like Humanity on how it is now, but I don't reject it. No matter of what me you or whoever says, we are part of the humanity. Rejecting humanity means that you reject yourself as you are product of it. Make something yourself to make it better. If every single man and woman was doing just 1 thing to make this world better, would be done in some years. We are just pathetic, waiting for the others to do the head start or the big political leader to guide us or the religion. We must be independent personalities with collective responsibility, no matter if we are Humans, Otherkins or whatever.
(This post was not going as an attack to anyone or everyone, had no mean to insult, etc. Was just a branch of thoughts about the case of Humans)
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Mike (Clodaus)
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| Nekys wrote: |
| And how can you tell a Human is a human and not a Otherkin or something else. You are based on that Otherkins are supposed to be minority? |
The whole "humans suck" debate has been brought up countless times, and I've seen the above quote used as a counter on many occasions - and I think it's one of the most valid points one can make. Otherkin are still in human bodies. For all we know, the majority of human could be Otherkin.
Another irony is that, because many Otherkin hate humanity, they're just encouraging the problems (that's not directed at anyone). Expanding off of what was mentioned in the above quote - when an Otherkin does something negative - such as taking their hate out on humanity - what do others see? They see a human fighting against humans. Then Otherkin look at that and talk about how immature humanity is. Well, hello.
I'm in agreement with the fact that each person is his/her own. Yes, races do have stereotypical generalizations that can be applied. But not to everyone. And often the generalizations are reflective of the culture, which is reflective of teachings of a group of people. Humans are pack animals, like many others - they follow. If the leaders offer a "better" view, eventually everyone else will follow. It's more human nature to follow than to be destructive. It's leaders' nature to be greedy, leading to destruction.
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:07 am
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SOG_FG_ryan14
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| Clodaus wrote: |
| I'm in agreement with the fact that each person is his/her own. Yes, races do have stereotypical generalizations that can be applied. But not to everyone. And often the generalizations are reflective of the culture, which is reflective of teachings of a group of people. Humans are pack animals, like many others - they follow. If the leaders offer a "better" view, eventually everyone else will follow. It's more human nature to follow than to be destructive. It's leaders' nature to be greedy, leading to destruction. |
Well put Clody I like the leader thing. It makes a lot of sense to me and is even a little enlightening.^^*leaves out a mountain of cookies for everyone*enjoy!
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:48 am
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Nekys
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Thank you Clodaus, you stated what I was trying to say in a very nice way.
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:55 am
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livnoelle
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umm, isnt the meaning of otherkin involve otherkin being human themselves to some degree? maybe im completely wrong...Anywho I despise those arrogant otherkin who think they're so much better and so separate from humans. :p
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Nanara
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So do many folks on OKC. I too dislike it when folks disrespect those who do not identify as otherkin. We're all biologically human, and it seems kind dumb to me for people to bitch and moan about how horrible "humans" are.. when we are all physically human. Yes, there are some people out in the world who are horrible.. but it's unfair and bigoted of folks to judge an entire species on the actions of a small number of that species.
We're all here incarnate in human bodies and lives.. as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if that individual soul has been here in this realm/planet/species since the beginning or come from elsewhere.. we're all here, we're all souls in human bodies. To discriminate against folks because they may have not incarnated elsewhere is.. well.. discrimination, a form of racism.. or species-ism depending on your perspective.. either way.. unjust.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:54 pm
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Miniar
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Not to mention incredibly presumptuous.
Just cause someone doesn't "identify" with their past life existence to the point where they consider that a part of their current identity doesn't mean that they haven't lived before as animals, elves, celestials, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...
So it's entirely possible that all these "hoomans" that otherkin are insulting vigorously, are actually their brothers from a past life who just don't identify with it.
It's improbable, if you believe in reincarnation across the species border at all, that there exists a human being who hasn't lived previously as something other than a human being. Doesn't mean they're otherkin, as that requires an identification with the "other", but means that it's idiotic at best to presume they're "just hooman".
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:01 pm
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Kane'Aishyrnaroshi
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I agree with many of you. My outlook on humans versus otherkin is like a midway approach. I see both for who they are, not how they act. If a homemaker (human) with a wonderful disposition and an otherkin homemaker with the same disposition were to be in the same room together and they were not allowed to converse, the looks from their eyes would speak mountains compared to their voices. Let's say the otherkin homemaker despised humans. As such, he/she would look at the human homemaker with distaste and hatred in his/her eyes.
Now, let's say the human homemaker loved those around him/her and treated everyone with the same respect and kindness that he/she would expect to be given. He/She would not look at the otherkin homemaker with hate-filled eyes. He/She would show kindness and compassion to him/her.
This is how I look on life. Everyone is equal, despite their racial, gender, religious, or personal preferences. Otherkin and Humans are the same to me. Sure, we as otherkin might say that we aren't human spiritually and that humanity is generally less intelligent, but that's not the way it is. I have come across otherkin that are equally if not more so annoying and unintelligent than humans.
Most of the time, I try to keep away from otherkin in my area because of that one feature. The ones near me are egotists and they constantly berate humanity. I think to myself, "If it wasn't for humanity, you wouldn't have a body to live in. So why don't you just sit down, shut up, and try to listen to those around you, human or not. We are not that much different from them, so stop acting like it."
I guess that is why my point of view on certain matters are non-biased. I don't care if you're human, otherkin, spirit, or element. If you want to start an argument about how much better you are than another race or person, prepare to deal with me. I have nearly no tolerance for such behavior.
That also might be why I have very few friends..
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:50 pm
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Shangrila
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I can't believe I haven't replied to this.
Anyway, I agree with what has been said, on both sides of the account. My major involves the study of people, same with my minor. I have seen so many good things happen throughout history involving people and their doings. I have also seen so many bad things. It always seems like there's more bad things happening, but there isn't. It's just that bad things and actions always stick out the most because humans seem to thrive on it, regardless of what they say. Without humans, I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be able to study the things I do and go "Oh, ain't that nice? Look how they came together after [insert event]."
I take people on a case-by-case basis, I really don't care what you look like or what you practice: I go off of how you act. If you act like a prick, whether you're otherkin or now, I'm still not going to like you.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:54 pm
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DiesIrae
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Please read all the way through; the first paragraph will seem highly insulting without the second accompanying it.
I hate humanity. I hate all the unspeakable things humans have done and are still doing: commiting genocide, allowing slavery, serving injustice, enjoying the pain of others, performing torture, ignoring pollution, partaking in bigotry and discrimination, feeling hatred, succumbing to materialism, supporting militarism, taking enjoyment from sexual perversity, stripping others of dignity, being selfish, allowing harm to come to others, taking from the needy, and many, many more vices and cruelties.
I love humans. They're delicious. There is so much delightful diversity in art, music, ideas, philosophies, and people. People themselves, oh, God! They can be so kind, selfless, peaceful, wise, virtuous, loving, and helpful. For every human who wants to distroy or condemn, there is another who wants to build and forgive. There are undeniable faults and flaws...but there are also thousands of undeniable redeeming qualities.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:59 pm
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