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I have been searching long and hard for reproducible experiments that would be able to offer proof of any metaphysical sciences. Experiments that could be done by anyone in order to produce the exact same results, and be impossible to disprove in any aspect. An experiment that, under strict test conditions, can be reproduced to perfection every time. At last, I have found one.
I just ask of you one favor. Keep this inside this community. Do not let it escape until I am able to practice it to produce incredible results - more incredible than the ones here. I will then submit it to the proper scientific community (while giving this community complete control) in the hopes of using this to gain credibility, and hopefully funding for further experiments in the area of metaphysics. It is a danger posting this here, but I do so in the hopes that others will be able to reproduce my results, and further prove my theory. (I want to gain enough evidence before submitting it, since similar evidence was not accepted by the general public.)
Telepathy. The ability to read a person's thoughts. This comes in many forms. Contact telepathy, which is the most common today (also called muscle reading, or psychophysiological thought reading), is used in magic (specifically mentalism) to produce amazing results. The performer reads the muscle queues generated subconsciously from the ideomotor response. There is also non-contact telepathy, which is what this experiment provides proof for. That allows you to read anyone's present thoughts, provided their cooperation. There is also probing, which allows you to dig for information in someone's mind, without them even thinking about it.
As I stated, we will be focusing on non-contact telepathy. But before we can get into that, I must first familiarize you with the ideomotor response. Please see this post for more information on that topic. For the lazy reader, here is a brief summary: When you think about something, your body subconsciously reacts. For example, if you think about an object to your left, your body will move left slightly. You do not notice this. Here is a test - imagine closing your finger, but do not actually close it. After a few seconds, you will feel a tingly sensation, and it will feel as though your finger is closing. But it is not. That is the exaggerated ideomotor response.
But what does that have to do with non-contact telepathy? You can't read those ideomotor responses if you can't touch them. That is true, this is based off of an entirely different concept that I have not yet studied. However, you only need to focus on your ideomotor responses in order to achieve the necessary results. I'll get to that in a moment. First, let's try another experiment to familiarize you with your ideomotor response before we test your telepathy.
The Pendulum
You may have often seen use of a pendulum by psychics and the like. The whole idea is that you ask a question, and the pendulum swings in a certain direction, giving you the answer. Why use a pendulum? Because it hangs so freely, it is especially susceptible to the ideomotor response. Here's an experiment to show you.
NOTE: You must believe this will work, or you will not achieve any reasonable results. You must also be HOLDING the pendulum by the string. I recommend holding it in a fist, with the extra string coming out the top of your hand and hanging down the back.
- Create a pendulum with a heavy object and a string. It only has to be heavy enough to dangle off of the string. For my makeshift one, I simply looped a shoelace through five CDs, and let the CDs hang freely. That will work. You may also use a ring, a watch, etc.
- Hold the pendulum over your keyboard and steady it so it is not swinging. Now, think of any letter on your keyboard. You will notice that the pendulum will begin to swing in the direction of that key. Think harder. It will swing further. Now think of another key. The pendulum with switch directions, and swing toward that key.
- Now think of any object in your room. Think of its location in the room. The pendulum will begin to swing in the direction of the object.
- Now for a more interesting experiment. Think of North, South, East, or West. Subconsciously, you should know where it is. This will not work for everyone. But if it does, the pendulum will swing toward the direction you're thinking.
- Keep trying these until it woks FLAWLESSLY before moving on to the telepathy experiment. Also make sure you don't consciously move it. If you don't get used to it, the telepathy experiment will not work! At first it may only move a little. Once you're able to recognize the ideomotor response you'll be able to get it to move a lot more. Remember not to move it consciously. That completely defeats the purpose.
The Explanation
Interesting, isn't it? So what makes this happen? When you think of the letter, you subconsciously want to move toward it. Yet at the same time you're trying to hold your hand still. So your hand moves slightly in that direction, causing the pendulum to swing. You will also notice that your hand slowly travels in that direction if you leave it there long enough.
Now why does the sensing North, South, East, or West work? Remember, the ideomotor response happens subconsciously. Subconsciously, you are able to understand a lot more, and you're much more observant. Through the ideomotor response, you have a direct link to your subconscious. The implications are astounding (I'll discus that in future articles).
The Experiment
Now, how can this prove non-contact telepathy? There are two parts to this. The first part is the actual transmission and receiving of data. That I have not yet studied. I don't know if this experiment only worked because I'm both a good sender and receiver, or if it will work with anyone. I will test that further later on. Then there is the ideomotor response. Your subconscious will use this to communicate with you. That is - you will subconsciously use telepathy, understand it, and through the ideomotor response, receive the results.
I held the pendulum in a firm grip and told my brother to imagine it moving in any direction he'd like over a 30 second period. He could change directions at any time. I closed my eyes to ensure I did not see him do anything. I then entered focus - cleared my mind completely and let my subconscious take control through the ideomotor response. It took no effort and happened almost immediately.
Then it happened. I could feel it swaying, but I didn't know what direction. I didn't think about it, it just happened. Sure enough, it matched exactly what my brother was thinking. I then tried it with my hand. I told him to imagine my hand moving left or right. He did. It worked, though it was more difficult. I then gave him the pendulum and did the same. It matched my thoughts exactly. I also had my other brother (a skeptic) imagine the pendulum moving, and it also matched his thoughts exactly, though not as strongly as my other brother's.
So there you have it. Through the ideomotor response you're able to achieve some amazing things. I have also found it to be similar to empathy - perhaps they're the same, just used differently. The ideomotor response holds many uses. I will be creating many articles in the weeks to come pertaining to awakening and other subconscious communication.
REMEMBER: You can not have any doubt in your mind when you try this. Do not think of anything. If you doubt, it will not work!
Also note that if you do this a lot your head will feel...odd to say the least. Your subconscious mind will begin to come forward. The more you do so, the more it'll come forward. I imagine that at some point it will take over your consciousness entirely. That is not a bad thing - you are your subconscious. Your conscious mind is simply a product of your human body, with influence by your subconscious mind. If that happens, using abilities will be so much easier, and you will be able to do amazing things. In essence, you will be fully awakened. (More on that later too.)
The Second Experiment
If you read into this thread a bit, you'll find that the first experiment raised some doubt as to whether or not it was telepathy or telekinesis. I encourage you to read those posts, but I decided to add another experiment (can also be found below) that will help take TK out of the picture.
- Gather together a group of people and explain to them that you are about to do an experiment with another person. Explain to them that you will be using the pendulum, and that the following is true for this experiment: a left/right swing means yes, a front-back swing means no, and a circular swing means "I don't know/I do not wish to answer". It is important you do this beforehand so that the person you're attempting the experiment with does not hear you discuss this - consciously or not. You do not want the person you're trying this with to know what swings mean what. In fact, don't even tell them there's a pendulum until after the experiment's over and done with.
- Bring in the other person and have him/her stand so their back is facing you. This way they can not see anything that is going on. You should also stand with your back facing him/her so that your position eliminates any suspicion of you seeing any physical signs that may result in answers. It may also help to blindfold yourself - it's more convincing, and it'll help you to concentrate. If you do blindfold yourself, simply have someone else "read" the pendulum for you.
- Ask yes or no questions, and explain that if he/she does not wish to, they do not have to answer. Have the questions written down before hand so that you can verify them later. Clear your mind and let your subconscious do all the work - do not think about anything. After the pendulum has a good swing, record your answer (or have someone else do it for you) and move on.
- Once you are done, explain to the other person what has just happened. Ask them the questions once again and verify your answers with them. Hopefully you got the majority, if not all of the answers, correct.
The only thing I should mention to you about this experiment is that the circular swing may be difficult if you're not really in tune with your ideomotor response. If you don't get a good swing, it will swing diagonally. Therefore, you may wish to mention that beforehand.
I hope you've found this useful. Try it out for yourself, give me your feedback. I will develop this to the point where I can simply write what someone is thinking, having them guide my hand. Once I have gotten close to this, I will attempt to contact other parties.
Best regards,
Clodaus
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:54 am Last edited by Mike (Clodaus) on Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:47 pm; edited 5 times in total
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I am reading a book right now entitled Conversations on the Edge of the Apocalypse, which is a collection of interviews with philosophers, scientists, spiritual teachers, and even George Carlin. The interviews cover various subjects, but a recurring theme in the book is the fact that a lot of research has been done in psi, and that the results tend to fall well within the realm of statistical significance by the standards of the greater scientific community. In other words, rigorous studies have been done, but the mainstream refuses to widely publicize or accept these results.
I don't have the URL on hand, but Google Rupert Sheldrake and look for his website. He's done a lot of psi research himself, as well as conducted meta-analyses of previously-conducted studies. For those who aren't familiar with the term, a meta-analysis is when the data from many different studies are gathered and analysed statistically all together. This condenses all of the data into one single study, and a sort of "average" that represents all of the data is the result. Meta-analyses are often used in psychological research, to name just one field, and the results, if the analysis is sound, are deemed acceptable by the scientific community.
Any momentum one can add to the study of psi is a blessing; the problem really is not one of gathering proof, so much as getting the results recognized. Because it is difficult to come up with a mechanism for exactly how these abilities may be possible, all of the data that confirm its reality tend to be ignored. The prevailing paradigms in science are changing slowly. More research, more voices, speaking more loudly, will contribute to the shift that will need to take place in order that psi studies may be validated in the eyes of the scientific community at large.
Copernicus had a hell of a time convincing his colleagues that the Earth revolved around the Sun, and look where we are now. It's too bad that some scientists have so much trouble learning from history.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:29 am
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If you find any of those studies forward them to me, I'd love to see what's been found.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:30 am
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How would you demonstrate that the movement of the pendulum was not a result of telekinesis, rather than telepathy, and that the movement necessarily must be because the holder is picking up telepathic impulses from another person?
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:34 am
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That's already assumed because this demonstration makes use of the ideomotor response. If the person holding the pendulum is aware of the response, they will be able to feel the movements. The spectator may think it's telekinesis, however the holder will, consciously or not, understand it is telepathy.
But I do want to study it more so I have a better answer for you on that.
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I don't think for true scientific validity that you can make such an assumption. You either need to prove conclusively that it is not possible, or you need to so construct the experiment that its possible influence is eliminated. Otherwise you are testing for more than one thing at once, which gives inconclusive results with regards to proving causality.
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I understand it's not proper to make assumptions, which is why I'm still developing the theory. I'm not going to attempt to release any of this to a scientific community until I have steady theories on metaphysics as a whole (in the other posts you can see I've been attempting to develop such). This experiment is a guide in the right direction.
Also, we can eliminate the possibility of Telekinesis entirely through the use of another experiment which I had done with others:
Take someone aside, and state that you will ask them a series of questions. Have them turn with their back toward the rest of the audience. You then explain to the others, preferably beforehand to eliminate any chance of the other person hearing, that a left/right swing means yes, forward/backward means no, and circular means "I do not know/I do not wish to answer".
You then ask the person a series of yes/no questions, and tell them that if they do not want to answer, to simply think so. They are only to think of the answer to the question. You turn your back to them, and close your eyes to rid the suspicion of anything being seen. The person who you are asking questions to does not need to know anything about which direction the pendulum should swing. That is only a way for your subconscious to communicate the answer to you.
Ask them the questions, and record the answers you receive via the pendulum swings. Then go down the list and have the person verify the answers, seeing what ones you have gotten correct.
This experiment, to me, is more conclusive than the first.
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lol don't worry it makes sense to me  In some odd way
But yes you're right - it's possible to take that into consideration as well. Those statistics (if it was TK) would go against all current statistics. Hang a pendulum from a ceiling and tell them to imagine it moving, then do it in your hand - you'll get completely different results.
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There's so many variations one could do in the experiment to test the variables. I mean, you could put the pendulum on the hook and tell the person that someone's holding it, and for them to "use" telepathy to move it... or not ask the questions verbally, if you've got people who show easy and destinctively gifted tendancies in telepathy.
I know this guy whose a naturopath and uses pendulums to tune into the person's body to see what their needs are. He doesn't ask any questions of the client, he even asks not to be told of any problems/symptoms, and he's picked up some very accurate things in people I know with only the pendulum and his charts to use to get the information. Urk, off topic.. lol
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I like that second experiment. Might want to mess around with that one the next time I go to a gather or something. (Heck, either of them actually.)
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Yeah I'm going to put that 2nd one in the origional post - the first one now seems to be a "hey look at this, isn't it cool?" type of thing rather than a solid experiment.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:33 pm
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Re: Proof of Telepathy - Reproducible Experiments
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[Quote removed by Clodaus - quoting the entire article took up a bit of room unnecessary room  ]
I actually think the first experiment proves more (assuming it works, ofcourse). The second experiment has a fatal flaw that prevents it from yielding anything significant; if you know the people you are performing the experiment on, it is highly likely that you will subcontiously predict their answers and swing the pendulum accordingly without realising. I think Penn and Teller once filmed someone doing a similar exercise in Bullshit!, and when the footage was reviewed you could clearly see his arm moving.
The ONLY way this experiment can prove anything is if you do it with complete strangers.
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Using complete strangers and questions you could not possibly know the answer to is the point of the experiment. However, seeing the person's hand moving is expected - the pendulum does not move itself, you do.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:29 pm
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im not sure if this is complelty apporopirate,but a mind probing theory i though of
instead of trying to telepathicaly communicate with the person,try it with their subconscious mind
but thats only a thoery
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