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Mike (Clodaus)
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 Odd Sight: Flowing...Dots? Static?
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Another thread regarding "seeing" energy reminded me of an odd sight I've experienced for as long as I could remember. I have not been able to explain it, but I really don't want to assign a "metaphysical" description to it when it could very well be a natural function of the eye or a minor problem with it. I place it in this forum simply because I'm not sure where it'll fit once I receive an answer.
In reasonably-lit room (in the dark I cannot tell reliably), usually along the ground (though I can see in other areas), I see this...fast-moving flow of what can only be described as transparent dots, or static almost, flowing in every direction. Even now, staring down at my keyboard, I can see some racing over my hands if I pay attention (it's something I'm so used to that it doesn't really phase me anymore unless it's more noticeable than usual).
I've had a couple people in the past tell me a couple different things - quite frankly, I'm not even close to satisfied. "You're seeing energy" or something like that doesn't quite cut it without an explanation or some type of experiment to back it up - metaphysical or not. So I placed it in my "I'll look into it later" pile. Granted, the "sight" of these flowing...staticy..thingies does often match what I can sense around me, which has an energetic feeling. However, when I sense it, it doesn't feel like it's "flowing" - it's just..there. Don't take my word entirely on that, though. I haven't tried to verify that statement enough times.
The reason I ask for someone knowledgeable on the human eye is because the eye is a horrible, horrible sense. Easily mistrusted. It's so easy to see something that was never there - and I mean truly, never there, due to a fluke in the eye's perception for even a brief moment. I have a dot in my vision - one big one and a number of smaller ones. I have for quite some time. Others have said "oh it's a guardian" or something along those lines. A more probable explanation, seeing as it moves with my eye and if I move my eye quickly enough, it can float out of my vision? It's just cells or something else floating around in my eye.
So, has anyone else had an experience like this?
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 Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:56 am
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Archer
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A doctor is likely to be more useful than a forum of otherkin.
Strange visual disturbances can be rooted in serious neurological problems, though without any other symptoms that is highly unlikely. Regardless, minor visual illusions like that are common when looking at brightly lit surfaces.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:38 pm
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Mike (Clodaus)
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| Archer wrote: |
A doctor is likely to be more useful than a forum of otherkin.
Strange visual disturbances can be rooted in serious neurological problems, though without any other symptoms that is highly unlikely. Regardless, minor visual illusions like that are common when looking at brightly lit surfaces. |
Well, I was hoping others here have heard of the disorder/experience/whatever, and actually know what it is, so I can avoid such a visit  I don't have the time to seek out a neurological doctor for something this small, unfortunately. Getting one for my migraine headaches (which I should have mentioned above - possible connection?) was hell.
If migraines could be a possible connection, it may be useful to note that the dots are always visible, while the migraines occur very rarely (now that my stress level's reduced). With migranes I primarily get visual disturbances (partially blind - things disappear and such), and rarely a migraine headache to follow. I have not had a visual migraine in years, though I have headaches 24/7 (tension and sinus).
But..I'll continue looking on my own in the meantime. You have no idea how hard it is to search for this when you don't know a term.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:55 pm
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I always say "rule out the mundane human stuff first". It's worth a call to your eye doctor to see what they have to say about it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:16 pm
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I see the same thing but I always chalk it up to crappy night vision. It looks like colored static...
You mind tends to fill in the blanks with what it thinks should be there, not necessarily what is actually there. This is why we sometimes see things that aren't there or don't see things that are; I suspect its' the same thing, the mind trying to fill in what the area should look like but having one hell of a time figuring out something that works.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:32 pm
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| Clodaus wrote: |
| Well, I was hoping others here have heard of the disorder/experience/whatever, and actually know what it is, so I can avoid such a visit |
Nobody can possibly come remotely close to "diagnosing" you on a forum based on the little information you have been given. There are many possible causes why you could see flashing lights.
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| I don't have the time to seek out a neurological doctor for something this small, unfortunately. Getting one for my migraine headaches (which I should have mentioned above - possible connection?) was hell. |
It would be insane to seek out a neurologist because you are seeing flashing lights - simply insane.
However, given that you have migraine headaches, it seems reasonable to book an appointment with your general practitioner and make him or her aware of your symptoms. Then your GP can decide if there is anything to look into. People on an internet forum cannot make an educated decision about this.
If you are not concerned, on the other hand, then there is no reason to go to a doctor anyway - and asking on a forum still won't help.
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| But..I'll continue looking on my own in the meantime. You have no idea how hard it is to search for this when you don't know a term. |
That's why God invented medical school.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:58 pm
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| Luinbariel wrote: |
| I see the same thing but I always chalk it up to crappy night vision. |
The colored dots aren't what I'm referring to. I usually see that when I'm in light all day and then turn off the lights, but this I see all day. If it were just random dots I'd defiantly dismiss it - it's the flowing in every direction, including into and out of me that has me intrigued.
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| There are many possible causes why you could see flashing lights. |
I don't see flashing lights Just static-like specs.
| Sera wrote: |
I always say "rule out the mundane human stuff first". It's worth a call to your eye doctor to see what they have to say about it. |
I had told a few optometrists. They saw nothing wrong with my eyes. In fact they had no idea what to say about it.
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It would be insane to seek out a neurologist because you are seeing flashing lights - simply insane.
However, given that you have migraine headaches, it seems reasonable to book an appointment with your general practitioner and make him or her aware of your symptoms. Then your GP can decide if there is anything to look into. People on an internet forum cannot make an educated decision about this. |
I'll ask about it when I get a new doctor lined up.
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| If you are not concerned, on the other hand, then there is no reason to go to a doctor anyway - and asking on a forum still won't help. |
Less help than asking a forum about theoretical, possibly non-existant sciences and having in depth and encouraging discussions on it? I can explain this more than many of the experiences on this website, yet everyone here seems to figure out what they're talking about. My point is - if an expert comes across this on a search engine, or someone else that shares the symptom sees it, they'll know what I'm talking about.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:58 pm
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This is a forum, we discuss stuff, I'm not worried about this being a topic here. Makes enough sense to me to ask around here and see who knows what or who knows someone who knows something, etc.
I see the moving "orbs" and stuff too on occasion, no matter what varying light circumstances I have encountered during the day; for the time being I'm not too worried about it but if you hear more I'd be interested in seeing what you find out.
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Your eyes are coated in liquid and the reflection of the light of the screen of your computer on the moving liquid on your eyes is enough to create that reaction.
I used to play with it and the patterns it creates as I'm extremely nearsighted. If I take my glasses of and look at the streetlights outside then when I half-close my eyes then I create a "ridge" in the viscous liquid that coats my eye and it manifests as a "line" in the large ball of light that a streetlight appears to be when my glasses are off. Odds are, this is all it is.
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The way that rods and cones of your eyes (the parts that register color and depth, if I'm not mistaken) function also leaves a lot of room for "seeing things". They react a little slowly to some stimuli, and sometimes the lag they have can lead to seeing things.
When you see something, look away, and see a phantom image, that is an example of the lag that they can be subject to, especially if the something you are looking at is really bright; it can overload them temporarily as well.
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I'm familiar with the patterns you're describing, Minar. I too play with those all the time - often through the cracks in my window blinds after I wake up. But, it's still a different concept than what I'm describing, unless it's the same concept that creates an entirely different effect.
I had wondered if the light source was creating the image for a while, and was trying to see if the dots were flowing to/away from/whatever the light source. Unfortunately, they weren't. Though yes, my first guess is a reaction to light considering I do not really seem them in the dark.
*shrugs* I'm not really expecting to find more of an answer than what we've already discussed. Just hoping for a specific "why" to help with my curiosity.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:11 pm
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| Clodaus wrote: |
| My point is - if an expert comes across this on a search engine, or someone else that shares the symptom sees it, they'll know what I'm talking about. |
No they won't, because the symptom is far too vague to be of any use diagnostically. All it says is your eyes are doing something that might be funny or might be normal. Which is why a physical exam, rather than a single generic symptom, is what will help.
If you are genuinely concerned I suggest a search of WrongDiagnosis.com, which has an excellent database and in depth forums that could at least point you to more useful search terms.
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:17 am
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I think I have the same issue. It may caused by my many hours at the computer. You should go to an optometrist.
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:55 am
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Thanks for the site, Archer. Unfortunately wasn't able to find anything of use, aside from the other eye problem I mentioned above regarding the floating dots/cells/whatever they may be.
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| It may caused by my many hours at the computer. You should go to an optometrist. |
I have - unfortunately to no avail. Perhaps I wasn't explaining it clearly enough. I'll try again next appointment.
In an attempt to connect the dots I just tried some basic observation. That "energetic" feeling I was describing that I could associate with the moving static-y particles seemed very familiar. For many years, under most reasonable lighting conditions, I could feel an energetic feeling around me - different than most things I've sensed. I've always associated that feeling with "light". It's not the warmth on my skin - it's the area around my body. Where the aura would be, if you will.
Regardless, seeing as how the intensity of the feeling often matches the density of the particles, and given the above discussion, it does lead me to assume it's a result of light hitting the eye. Just wish I knew the exact reason.
For those interested about the whole dot thing, they're often called "floaters".
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:53 am
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Actually, those are not the same as floaters. Floaters are usually fairly large and mostly stationary in the visual field so long as you don't try to look at them. I have several floaters.
What you are seeing is the eye refreshing. The rods and cones of your eye flicker on and off so that you are able to see something other than the first thing you ever saw. If I think about it, I too get the colored-dot visual.
Try this. Close your eyes. Then press against your eyes to the point just before actual discomfort. This won't work if you barely press. Now wait a few seconds. Most people seem to get colored confetti dots when this happens, because you are triggering the vision receptors in your eye. I get colored dots against a mosaic black and white checkerboard pattern of tiny squares that are all spiraling. Thus, both the rods and cones have activated.
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