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Atrum Tempestas
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Particularly I've heard "complaints" about restrictive bonds from Angelkin & other Celestials, and I had a few thoughts.
First of all, I've identified how many I have, what each one does, what "color" I see them as, and so on. The way they appear, though of course this could be incorrect, is that if they were broken (or at least the right ones) I would regain my Celestial self, including my powers and forms - most of my bonds are to restrict my forms, powers/abilities and so on.
Right now I'm working on breaking these bonds. They cause a lot of problems and pain for me, and are just unpleasant all around, not to mention I'm sick of them. It'll be interesting to see if my readings with Tarot are correct on this matter or not. My cards seem to think that working with magick, and trying to work with my Celestial abilities will strengthen me so that I can break the bonds.
I'm curious, do other races experience bonds as well?
What do they bind?
Is there a better term for these things? I feel like I'm using improper English. 
These Bonds/Spell Chains, whatever they are, are something I've been off and on poking at for several years now. I first stumbled across them in a very unpleasant Astral Plane experience, and since then have had various issues with them, generally when trying to use psychic/mental abilities or work with human magic. Generally causes some manner of physical pain, in some cases its like someone wrapped up my upper torso in something and is tightening it so I can't breathe. Very unpleasant, unwelcome, and annoying all around.
I've read here and there about Angels and Celestials being bond, but haven't heard much about it causing pain. I also haven't heard much of other races being bound, though it would make sense to me if they had been bound, considering what these binds generally bind. If that makes sense. 
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Well what exactly do you consider a bond to be? I've had experience with "blocks", which are just any means of hindering any sense, ability, etc. A block, in the sense that I use it, could be anything from completely blocking off an ability (say, to prevent telepathy), to forcing someone to stay in a body, to simply limiting an ability.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:50 am
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| Clodaus wrote: |
| Well what exactly do you consider a bond to be? I've had experience with "blocks", which are just any means of hindering any sense, ability, etc. A block, in the sense that I use it, could be anything from completely blocking off an ability (say, to prevent telepathy), to forcing someone to stay in a body, to simply limiting an ability. |
The way I experience it, is there's these spell "ribbons" attached to me, most lessen my abilities to a level thats normal for a human with these abilities (Pyrokinesis, and whatever is utilized with Tarot/Rune Readings).
Most of the spells bind my powers to a certain degree, others completely bind my forms. Such as, both my "angelic" forms are bound, as is my dragon form.
Usually I hear them referred to as "bonds" or "bindings", but "blocks" kinda makes more sense.
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Ah, seems like we're talking about something very similar.
So - yes, I experience them as well. As for why they happen - I won't get into it with me. Anything from others' dirty work to me blocking myself for various reasons, consciously or not.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:37 am
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How have you two determined that the blocks/binds/wards that you experience aren't self inflicted, psychological, or anything of such origin as opposed to metaphysical "blocks/binds/wards"?
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Many of mine I believe to be self-inflicted through self exploration and recollection - but I have no evidence other than that to support it. When I was younger, I was under the naive assumption that blocks were the cause of my in ability to do a great many things, like (for example) PK/TK. That was psychological. I've done my best to eliminate all the psychological "blocks", though obviously there is no garuntee the others aren't some subconsicous psychological block. If they are - it's a block nonetheless. Regardless I lose.
As far as any non-psychological blocks, again - all I have to go off of is recollection and self evaluation through other sensory means. Blocks have always been and always will be a very touchy, skeptical subject for me due to their inherit misinterpretation.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:06 pm
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| Miniar wrote: |
| How have you two determined that the blocks/binds/wards that you experience aren't self inflicted, psychological, or anything of such origin as opposed to metaphysical "blocks/binds/wards"? |
I've done a lot of meditation, and quite a few tarot readings as well, regarding mine. They "look", if you will, like spells, and they don't "feel" like me at all.
Also, I have memories of being bound by other people.
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Personally, I have them. I usually call them binds or wards. Given my personal beliefs I have some that limit my energy to keep me in this body, so I do believe that if they were to break this body would die. I also feel that I have some that limit my "powers" so to speak. However, in some respect they could be psychological. I know that I used to be a pretty decent empath, but I know that I basically shut that ability off in middle school because it became very overwhelming. I am also pretty useless when it comes to astral travel. I don't know if that one's psychological or not, but it makes sense to me for it not to be given why I'm currently incarnate.
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Ah, yes - Sera did remind me of an excellent example of a psychological block that I too had with empathy. In my earlier years, I had no control over it and the ability was very strong. Over the years I kinda blocked it out and now it requires a great deal of effort, which hardly yields the same effects as before.
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Re: Bonds/Bindings/Spell Chains
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| Atrum Tempestas wrote: |
Particularly I've heard "complaints" about restrictive bonds from Angelkin & other Celestials, and I had a few thoughts.
First of all, I've identified how many I have, what each one does, what "color" I see them as, and so on. The way they appear, though of course this could be incorrect, is that if they were broken (or at least the right ones) I would regain my Celestial self, including my powers and forms - most of my bonds are to restrict my forms, powers/abilities and so on. |
I'm feeling curious enough to ask a few questions, and I'm sorry if the answers are available elsewhere, but I don't know where I might look for them. What would the consequences of breaking these bonds be? Would your physical body transubstantiate into a spiritual/energetic one, like Enoch in the Old Testament? Or would your spirit simply be released from your body into its free state? If this is the case, would you leave physical remains? In either case, would your free self be tangible or capable of enacting change in the physical world? How would it appear to human perception?
Thank you for indulging me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:39 am
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Enoch- This all chalks down to theories and beliefs, some of which I will mention, but I will explain from my point of view and understanding.
Before I answer questions, though, I'd like to mention something I've noticed while poking around at my bonds.
It seems these bonds don't fully take away my forms...it seems like they are phased out onto a different plane, and the bonds keep them there and keep me from bringing them here.
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| What would the consequences of breaking these bonds be? |
The most "popular" belief that I have found, is that many Angels (and other forms of Celestials), believe that breaking these boundaries would result in the annhilation of their physical bodies, and perhaps the area around them
A few people I've spoken to are arrogant enough to believe they're so powerful, they'd destroy the world, solar system, or
even the universe.**
I find the above to be complete nonsense. Partially due to my dealings with such bonds in my past lives.
The breaking of these bonds results in physical and sometimes emotional pain, from what I understand.
Example:
Phase 1 - Physical.
Lets say you're Demonkin, and you break the bonds that tie up your demonic form. We'll use the stereotypical demon here... Bat wings, tail, horns.
You break the bonds that restrain you to a human form, and you have absolutely 0 control over the shift to your demon appearance. Viola, you're going through an extremely brutal onslaught of physical pain as your human body grows horns, wings, tail, etc, and every genetic detail about you becomes demonic.
I remember these shifts from past life only, but they were extremely grotesque, bloody, and the excruciating agony the individual goes through cannot even be fully described, it was so terrible.
Phase 2 - Emotional.
You're now physically something other than human. In this modern world, where you have family, friends, acquaintances...this is going to be an enormous problem. Persecution, hunters, religious fanatics, crazy devil worshippers, news, and so on.
A physical change into something other than human isn't going to be small news, and there will be all sorts of craziness that comes with it. I mean, just think of the way "normal" people that show up on the news come under. No one's business is private, and its likely that if someone is no longer physically or genetically human, that they will be treated as less than human.
The pain and persecution would vary I suppose depending on what you are and where you are.
For instance, a dragon may be extremely welcome(maybe even worshipped) in Asia, but in the West people would go crazy and bring out the fighter jets.
There were more consequences I'd thought of...but I can't remember them right now. I'll post if I remember.
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| Would your physical body transubstantiate into a spiritual/energetic one, like Enoch in the Old Testament? Or would your spirit simply be released from your body into its free state? If this is the case, would you leave physical remains? |
Its my belief that your physical body would essentially shift and mutate into your original self. That is how I remember it, at least, but here it could quite possibly be different.
The way I remember it, I guess is like the shifts you see in some of the more recent "Lycanthrope" movies, where there is extreme pain, loud popping, squishing, squelching noises accompanied by screams/roars of pain as the body reshapes itself into its "original" form or forms.
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| In either case, would your free self be tangible or capable of enacting change in the physical world? How would it appear to human perception? |
One's free self would be as tangible and capable as any human being walking around the streets today.
Myself, for example...lets say I were walking around in my 12-winged form.
I would seen as a young woman with white or brown hair, red or blue eyes, walking around with dual silver horns & twelve black "angel" wings sprouting out of my back. I'd be as visible and physical as anyone else.
I would be able to change things as far as my abilities, want, and general society would allow.
**This popular belief I mentioned... Essentially, there's a few things people think about these bonds.
1. They're there so "we" don't destroy the world.
2. Breaking them will be the equivalent of millions of nuclear bombs going off, destroying the world.
3. Only power-hungry, greedy idiots would break bonds. We were made human in this life to be punished, and should accept it.
4. God(s) placed these bonds on us because we were "bad".
@1. Self-control... Why would we destroy the world anyway? Just being here won't do it, not any more than humanity being here at least. I think its arrogant to think we'd destroy the world just by being here..
@2. I think its extremely arrogant that people think they are/they were so powerful that becoming themselves again would destroy everything. Maybe if you're an energy-being it'll destroy your physical body because the physical and the energetic are not compatible, but sure as heck you're not going to destroy the world.
@3. I don't know about others, but it feels extremely "wrong" to me to be in a human body right now. I'm me, and me isn't originally human. Its like putting an ape into a rabbits skin and telling it to hop around and eat carrots - its just wrong and doesn't work. I think that we're meant to test and try and break our bonds, I think its part of our mental growth, even.
The bonds are there for a reason, and I think that they are meant to be broken when we are ready, or meet the requirement. Simple as that.
@4. This may be the case for some people... but myself, at least, was cursed by my enemies in a rather large-grouped ritual. I think that there are multiple causes that an individual would be bound - for some it was a choice, for some it was not. I think if a deity DID bind someone, it would be as a test for the individual, not a punishment.
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So am I right in saying that your suggestion is that, upon breaking these bonds, a physical/biological transformation occurs in your material body, giving you a new appearance?
What's the connection between the form you'd take on if you broke your bonds, and your spiritual self, the self that is now bound in your current body? Do spiritual bodies take shapes, e.g., wings and horns?
Does the bodily transformation cause the realization of your dormant powers, or is there another transformation, one that affects your spirit rather than your body? Could only one of these transformations take place? For example, could you obtain your horned, winged form, but not your bound powers? Or could you obtain your powers but not your form?
Do you know or suspect that anyone in the past has broken such bonds? What happened to them, ultimately?
I appreciate your thorough answer to my previous questions and hope that you are not pestered by these new ones.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:26 am
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| Enoch wrote: |
| So am I right in saying that your suggestion is that, upon breaking these bonds, a physical/biological transformation occurs in your material body, giving you a new appearance? |
Yes, this is my belief.
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| What's the connection between the form you'd take on if you broke your bonds, and your spiritual self, the self that is now bound in your current body? Do spiritual bodies take shapes, e.g., wings and horns? |
Personally I believe that a person's soul makes them who they are, and that Otherkin are people whose body is inhabited by an inhuman soul.
My soul/spiritual self is polymorphic - I have two angelic/demonic forms, a draconic form, and a somewhat human form. In my past lives, I was physically a polymorph, and could physically shift between forms at will.
My "true" form is the one I would first revert to were bonds to be broken, because essentially that is my true self and who I am.
The connection, I suppose, is that the form(s) I'd take on are what I was in my past lives, and are of the same race my soul is. Sadly, I have yet to remember the name of my race, and simply describe myself as a Neutral Polymorphic Celestial, since I'm a semi-angelic, polymorphic being whose job is/was to maintain the balance of power between "good" and "evil".
I do believe that spiritual bodies take shapes, especially considering the Phantom Limb phenomena, and the fact that while Astral Projecting/Traveling, we see things as forms, not as blobs.
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| Does the bodily transformation cause the realization of your dormant powers, or is there another transformation, one that affects your spirit rather than your body? Could only one of these transformations take place? For example, could you obtain your horned, winged form, but not your bound powers? Or could you obtain your powers but not your form? |
For myself, there are separate bonds on me - ones for my forms, and then others per power. The ones on my powers restrict them to human capability, instead of the full capabilities I had in previous lives.
Simply put, I can obtain both my forms and my powers, but it requires different bonds to be broken.
For example, my powers that I remember include pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, telekinesis, and "shadow"-kinesis. I also had particularly potent psychic abilities, and the ability to use magic without spell or ritual.
My elemental powers are restricted by one bond, my psychic powers by another, magic by yet another, and my form(s) by one or more. To obtain my "full self" and capabilities, I would have to break all my bonds, not just one.
Because of this, I'm starting with my powers and magic, then forms. I think it'd be potentially dangerous to myself to regain my forms, and be unable to protect myself.
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| Do you know or suspect that anyone in the past has broken such bonds? What happened to them, ultimately? |
Breaking bonds seems to be a matter of willpower and/or discovering what triggers them to release. People are by no means stupid or incapable of making things happen by willpower - in fact, many I know who practice "magic" are actually exorcizing their willpower to make things happen.
I do remember people breaking this bonds, but that was a very long time ago, pre-middle ages. I remember some event taking place during the Middle Ages*, where sorcerers, sorceresses, and demonic/evil forces teamed up, if you will, to attempt to curse inhuman/non-angelic/non-demonic beings into incarnation as humans, and curse angels/demons into incorporeal existence. Some angels and demons, as I remember, chose to incarnate as humans as well, because they detested the thought of not being physical beings.
I myself was bound by this "curse", and its why I'm incarnated as a human being now.
*Please note, I'm unsure if it was the Middle Ages on this planet or not... but the architecture, scenery, and people fit.
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| I appreciate your thorough answer to my previous questions and hope that you are not pestered by these new ones. |
Not at all.  I generally speak better when asked questions, opposed to trying to explain my thoughts and beliefs off the top of my head. >.>
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Well - just to note - in the above discussion, the "blocks" I was referring to have no effect on physical form. Human bodies are human bodies - they're born that way. It's not like you're born demon and some "spell" is placed upon the body to make it look human. We've had many discussions on the possibilities of shapeshifting, regaining other forms, etc on the forums - it's one of the largest controversies.
Therefore I'll offer another perspective. Hopefully it does not deviate from the original topic.
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| What would the consequences of breaking these bonds be? Would your physical body transubstantiate into a spiritual/energetic one, like Enoch in the Old Testament? Or would your spirit simply be released from your body into its free state? If this is the case, would you leave physical remains? In either case, would your free self be tangible or capable of enacting change in the physical world? How would it appear to human perception? |
None of the above. Nothing will change the fact that I'm in a human body, and the bonds/blocks (I use the term "blocks") do not keep me in the body in the sense that if they're removed, I'll be somehow released. If anything, they'd simply make a concept such as Astral Projection much less likely. So if they're removed, my physical body would remain human.
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| What's the connection between the form you'd take on if you broke your bonds, and your spiritual self, the self that is now bound in your current body? Do spiritual bodies take shapes, e.g., wings and horns? |
Again up to debate. Personally I see no connection whatsoever. The body is entirely separate from the consciousness/soul/spirit/whatever in the sense that physical traits shouldn't be shared. If I wanted my body to represent a race from a past life, I'd need a new body. And the only way to do that would be to somehow manifest one, which seems incredibly unlikely, leave this one, and enter that one. Which may as well be called reincarnation.
Anyway. My two cents.
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I didn't intend to ask such a specific question as this, but now I'm curious about whether you've broken any such bonds as of yet, how you accomplished it, and what abilities you obtained over and above the typical practitioner of magick, psi, or energy manipulation.
Other than that, I'm satisfied. Thank you for your answers.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:53 am
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